go get him, joe. what do you make of this? >> i think joe biden is a better debater than president obama. i thought that back in 2008. i saw several debates where joe biden outdebated all of them on the stage. and so, yes, i think there's no -- there are going to be no holds barred here. he has to make up for some of the questions that president obama didn't have the last time. and so i think this is going to be -- i certainly hope it's more of an exciting debate than the first debate. it's a debate that won't have the moral hole in it quite as much. biden can get passionate about some of the issues related to unfairness and equality. >> e.j. dionne, always great to have you with us. >>> coming up, a ceo tells his employees if president obama is is reelected, prepare for a pay cut. i'll tell you all about the >>> up next, find out why the ceo of a michigan company says employees should expect money in their paychecks if president obama wins a second term. >>> and in the big finish, how discriminatory